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ROW Gearing and Light
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The purpose of this FAQ page to help Porsche
993 owners answer questions they may have regarding gear ratio and light
weight flywheel changes. The parts list can be used as a reference
of all the parts in the gear box.
Below
are a listing of the parts and part number for the clutch and flywheel
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| ID |
Part number |
Name |
QTY |
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| 28 |
928 102 151 01 |
cheese-hd. screw |
9 |
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| 27 |
931 102 111 00 |
ball bearing |
1 |
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| 26 |
964 102 239 31 |
flywheel |
1 |
RSCS Flywheel |
| 25 |
999 119 017 01 |
cheese-hd screw |
9 |
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| 23 |
964 114 012 02 |
two mass flywheel |
1 |
Standard 94,95 |
| 23 |
964 114 012 52 |
two mass flywheel |
1 |
Standard 96+ |
| 24 |
999 052 169 00 |
ball bearing |
1 |
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| ID |
Part number |
Name |
QTY |
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| 1 |
964 116 014 90 |
carrier plate (Clutch) |
1 |
94,95 |
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Alternative parts: |
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964 116 013 51 |
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964 116 013 52 |
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964 116 014 51 |
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964 116 014 52 |
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964 116 014 91 |
carrier plate (Clutch) |
1 |
96+ |
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Alternative parts: |
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964 116 013 62 |
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964 116 014 62 |
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| 1 |
964 116 011 61 |
carrier plate |
1 |
RSCS Clutch |
| 2 |
964 116 027 02 |
pressure plate |
1 |
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| 2 |
964 116 028 03 |
pressure plate |
1 |
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| 2 |
964 116 028 53 |
pressure plate |
1 |
Turbo |
| 3 |
999 510 015 02 |
cheese-hd screw |
9 |
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| 3 |
N 014 715 3 |
cheese-hd screw |
9 |
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Viken
Bedrossian's close ratio gearbox and lightweight flywheel report
posted 07-08-2001 19:00
Posted on Rennlist
Discussion Boards » Air/Oil Cooled Discussion Areas
» 993 Forum » Close-Ratio Gearbox & Lightweight
Flywheel
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Close-Ratio Gearbox & Lightweight Flywheel
As some of you already know, Porsche introduced
the normally aspirated 993 in 1994 with a relatively close-ratio gearbox
called the G50/21 (G64/21 for AWD). However, cars bound for the United
States, Austria and Switzerland, had to have the G50 (G64)/20 gearbox with
taller and slightly more spaced gears to meet fuel economy and noise restrictions
in those countries. As of MY 1997, Porsche installed only the /20 gearbox
on all normally aspirated 993's worldwide.
Recently, I had a G64/21 installed in my
'96 C4S. The gears from 2nd to 6th are all shorter and 2nd is slightly
closer to 1st while the gaps between all other gears are also slightly
smaller. This combination of ratios allows much better acceleration throughout
the rpm range of the engine. Previously, I drove around town in 3rd
and barely used 4th. Now, I find myself mostly in 4th and 5th while on
the freeway 6th can finally be used at legal speeds without lugging the
engine. I never used 6th before because it did not accelerate at all from
just about any rpm. With the shorter 6th, one can stomp on the gas from
2200 rpm and the car goes.
On the track and in tight turns, I always
looked for the "right" gear between 2nd and 3rd the former being too short
and the latter too tall. I expect the new shorter 3rd will be more
adequate in such situations. The 1.024 fifth will also be very useful on
long straights coming out of turns such as at Willow Springs.
During this gearbox transplant, it was
discovered that the dual-mass flywheel was starting to go bad. This flywheel
is not too reliable and can fail early in some cars. I decided to
replace the overweight and unreliable flywheel with a lightweight RS version.
This also necessitates the change in clutch and pressure plate. The new
flywheel does indeed allow the engine to rev quicker. It takes less time
for the engine to reach the more usable power band and the "Varioram"
lag I experienced before is much less noticeable. I would estimate the
speed at which the revs climb is about 20-25% quicker than before. On my
'96, there are no stalling issues and the noise from this flywheel is a
muffled "brrr" only perceptible at part throttle. Once the car is under
way, it sounds exactly the same as before.
To sum-up, these upgrades are substantial
and worthwhile. At least, to me they were. I think any normally aspirated
993 can be brought to life with at least the close-ratio gearbox. The lightweight
flywheel is a welcome bonus that might complete the package for many. I
was also very pleased by the shop that did the work. E-mail me if you'd
like a recommendation.
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Here is a part number list courtesy
of Viken for his clutch and lightweight flywheel
N/A 993
Item Part Number
Description Qty
1
964.102.239.31 Flywheel
1
2
964.116.011.61 Clutch Disc / RS
1
3
964.116.028.90 Pressure Plate / RS 1
4
944.116.080.00 Release Bearing
1
5
950.116.813.30 Clutch Guide Tube 1
6
964.114.143.31 Starting Ring Gear 1
7
928.102.151.01 Bolts
9
8
N.014.715.3 Socket Screw 8 x
45 9
9
931.102.111.00 Pilot Bearing
1
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For 993 Turbo clutch and pressure
plate part number
993 964.116.028.53 - Turbo pressure
plate
964.116.014.91 - Turbo clutch
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Here
are a list of the Q/As posted on the Rennlist
| Q - |
Would you expect a switch to the G64/21
close-ratio gearbox and lightweight RS flywheel to yield similar improvements
in a 1997 993TT?
As I understand it, the stalling with
the lightened flywheel is not a big issue with '96 and '97 cars. Am I interpreting
the situation correctly? I don't mind a buzz or humm, but would like to
avoid the stalling issue.
(Question by Anir) |
| A - |
The /21 gearbox is very similar to the
Turbo's /51 version in terms of gear ratios:
/21:
1st - 3.818
2nd - 2.150
3rd - 1.560
4th - 1.242
5th - 1.024
6th - 0.820
/51 (worldwide):
1st - 3.818
2nd - 2.150
3rd - 1.560
4th - 1.212
5th - 0.937
6th - 0.750
/20 (US gearbox):
1st - 3.818
2nd - 2.048
3rd - 1.407
4th - 1.118
5th - 0.928
6th - 0.775
As you can see, 1st through 3rd are the
same compared to the twin turbo while 4th is very close. I suspect that
by the time you've shifted into 5th or 6th you're already running at stratospheric
speeds (read boost) in your Turbo. However, you can always custom tailor
the gears on any car to suit your driving style and needs. In the case
of the normally aspirated 993's with the /20, the car's downright "need"
the closer ratio gearbox.
As to the lightweight flywheel, the benefits
are similar in any 993 variation. There are several 993 Turbo's running
with lighter weight flywheels.
Also, I would imagine the DME would take
care of all stalling issues as it does on '96-on normally aspirated 993's.
(Answer by Viken) |
| Q - |
I wasn't aware that the LUK DMF flywheel
had any reliability issues--unlike the original POS 964 DMF. Of course,
if the LUK does in fact have reliability issues, that's (more) motivation
to go LWF, come clutch replacement time.
What have you heard/learned about the
LUK's reliability? Thanks!
(Question by Randall Granaas) |
| A - |
My 964 Flywheel totally gave-up on me
at 14K miles and was replaced under warranty. At that time, I was told
that Porsche was replacing quite a few of these because of reliability
problems. When the 993 was introduced, I heard that the new unit made by
LUK was much improved and should not suffer from as many failures.
However, recently I am told that even LUK is not as great a product as
expected. Mine had 25K miles and I was told that it was not uncommon for
them to go bad that early. The best advice I have is to at least
closely inspect your flywheel and check for any rubber deterioration
(Answer by Viken) |
| Q - |
Is the reason the LWF works best in 96+
solely because those cars have Varioram, or does it have something to do
with the DME or other factors? I'm curious because I have a '95 car with
Varioram and am considering the LWF conversion.
(Question by NRK) |
| A - |
It is my understanding that the DME on
'96-on cars is able to make adjustments to deal with the quicker drop in
rpms. In my case, I felt no difference in the way the revs drop just below
1000 rpm's.
(Answer by Viken) |
| Q - |
Viken, Where did you get your box and
how much should one expect to pay for such a thing?
(Question by EJ) |
| A - |
When it comes time to do a clutch and
flywheel change I would look at doing this upgrade. It does add up pretty
quick because you would want to change the 1st gear shift forks, and first
and second synchros which are about $1500. If you change out gears you
are looking at around $700-$900/each for Paul Guard gears and probably
50% more for Porsche Motorsports. Then there is the labor and hopefully
your ring and pinion is in good shape if not that is around $1500 and you
might as well get a real LSD another $1000 or so. If you were to change
you probably should go with the ratios for the RS Club Sport since you
spend a lot of time at the track.
(Answer by Greg Fishman) |
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E.J.
Although I'm not Viken, I can tell you
that I bought mine from a U.K. wrecking yard for about $2500+shipping and
import fees--probably cost me close to $3K to have it on my doorstep. Mine
is a G50/21 (RWD) trans with approx 45K mi on it. Before I put it in, I
will have it inspected to see if anything needs "freshening up". Look at
Porsche and 911 World for ads, then start e-mailing your querie.
(Answer by Steve in SLO) |
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